Episode 170: The Confidence to Go After Your Creative Dreams - with Katie Dancer
Discover the inspiring story of Katie Dancer, a freelance musician and former client who conquered her fears to quit her job in marketing and pursue her dreams. In this episode, she shares her transformative journey and the role coaching played in her success. If you're a creative soul and people-pleaser trapped in an unfulfilling job, tune in for actionable insights and motivation to break free and thrive.
Topics
Katie's transition from feeling stuck in a job to creative self-expression.
Katie's career blending music, outdoor adventures, and writing.
Overcoming Fear of Judgment and Toxic Relationships
The power of speaking out loud about one's vision and desires.
Katie's achievement of giving a solo flute revival despite initial doubts.
Katie's advice to Marie-Pier about surviving a creative life and nature-loving with a child.
Exploring the differences between therapy and coaching.
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Transcript
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Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:00:06]:
Welcome to the Self Growth Nerds podcast. I'm your host Marie, a courage coach, creative soul and adventure seeker. Since thru hiking the Pacific Crest Trail in 2019, I'm on a mission to help you embrace your most confident self so you can achieve your dreams too. If you're eager for deep conversations, big questions and meaningful connections, join me on the quest to discovering how we can create a more magical and memorable life.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:00:38]:
Hello, nerds. How are you? I'm doing so good. In this episode, I had a conversation with a former client of mine, Katie, and I finished this conversation feeling so energized. Katie's story is so inspiring. Her progress was phenomenal. When we started working together, she felt stuck in a job that she didn't like, worried about what everyone else was going to think about what she really wanted to do to having a life full of freedom and creative self expression. So I'm not gonna tell you more. I want you to hear it from her.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:01:18]:
She's gonna tell you about what changed and how that happened within 1 year only. And the only thing I wanna say before we jump in is that if you listen and you're like oh my god this is the medicine that I need then go to self Growth Nerds. Book a call and we'll see if we're a good match and talk about how I can help you go on a transformation journey similar to Katie's. Alright? Let's get started. Katie, welcome to the Self Help Nerds Podcast. I'm so happy to have you. Please say hello to my listeners and introduce yourself.
Katie Dancer [00:01:59]:
Oh, hello. It's so great to be here with you today. My name is Katie Dancer and I live in MacDab in the middle of the United States in Missouri. And I am a freelancing musician, writer, and outdoor adventurer. Though they're all of my love, they were could actually be hobbies, but I have learned how to put them all together and make kind of career for myself. So
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:02:24]:
Tell me what's been going on.
Katie Dancer [00:02:26]:
Oh, man. It's been a year. It's been a crazy year. I feel like, I'm in a really good spot mentally right now, especially compared to where I was last year. I think last year, I was just so scared to start. I was so scared of like failing. And now I've like tried so many things and I've failed
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:02:46]:
at some things, but some things have gone well. And so Katie and I stopped working together about a year ago. And when when we got started, can you tell us what your life was like?
Katie Dancer [00:03:00]:
Sure. Yeah. I had been working in a full time marketing and communications job for a non profit. And I had successfully whittled myself down to part time because I knew that I wanted to make a shift. But letting go of even just the part time job was a huge hurdle for me. And it was causing a lot of anxiety, had a lot of feelings about it. And so that's when I had heard your Podcast, a few times and decided to reach out to you. I thought that working with you would help me make that make that leap.
Katie Dancer [00:03:31]:
Mhmm.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:03:32]:
You wanted to quit your job, but what else is it that you wanted to do?
Katie Dancer [00:03:36]:
So, you know, my passion has always been in music writing, spending time in the outdoors. And for about 10 years of my life, it wasn't possible to do that for financial reasons, family reasons. But I had gotten to the point personally where that was gonna be possible again to be able to make that shift back into music, back into where my actual training is and what my love is. So I did it. I jumped. I jumped back into what I feel like I'm made to do. Mhmm.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:04:09]:
And what was, why did it seem so hard back then? What were the obstacles to you quitting your job?
Katie Dancer [00:04:18]:
Though, I think there were a couple of different layers of it. And, like, the outer layer was what would people think? What would people think of me? How would people judge me? Who would I be letting down? Like, the people I was working I was actually working for my brother-in-law. He was my boss. And so it was causing me a lot of anxiety to let him down, to step away from my role that I was supporting in the nonprofit. But then deeper than that though, I think I was really struggling with fear of knowing if I was gonna make it or not, if I was gonna fail at what I was doing. You know, I didn't really trust myself.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:04:55]:
So being afraid that it was not gonna work.
Katie Dancer [00:04:58]:
You know, it was something I had tried before, and felt like I hadn't Self like I had failed at it, and so the idea of going back and trying again was really, really
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:05:08]:
difficult. Okay, so I hear 2 main obstacles. The fear of peep letting people down, fear of what people were going to think, how they were gonna feel about it, and the fear of failing. Yes. Of jumping and then falling flat on your face.
Katie Dancer [00:05:24]:
And being super embarrassed. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And what shifted? I really think that a lot of my life in performing music and, in any kind of work, any kind of performative situation. Always kind of looking for that outside affirmation and that like, I was always craving the attagirl girl or the, Oh yeah, you're doing a good job. You're, you're awesome at this. You should keep going.
Katie Dancer [00:05:47]:
And I started to realize, it wouldn't really matter how much of that I got. I still felt the same on the inside. And so and you helped me to see this, but it was wasn't so much other people's affirmation and encouraging me. It was me believing in Self that I could do it and wanting it bad enough that I was willing to try and fail. So that shift happened when I was working with you or at least the courage to try happened when I was working with you.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:06:16]:
You was there a moment or was it like a a slow transformation?
Katie Dancer [00:06:24]:
I think it was a slow it was a slow transformation. It was taking little baby steps out. You know, instead of just jumping headfirst into the deep end, you know, just kind of taking intentional steps, waiting in until I gained more courage to do the next thing and do the next thing. And there was a, I think a video that I watched that you had done where you talked about our perceived upper limits. And I think I think I watched that back like a year and a half ago, like back in January or February and thinking, oh, that was like a click for me. It was like, oh, I only think I can reach this high because that's all I've ever done. But if I go through the pain, I know it's gonna be painful. But if I go through the pain to get to that next level, then I have then I can raise my upper limit.
Katie Dancer [00:07:12]:
And I still remember that visual that you had drawn. So that has really helped me.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:07:20]:
So for a lot of people coaching is untangible.
Katie Dancer [00:07:25]:
So how would you say that coaching has helped you? It's almost like, okay, you've got Marie here with you. It you just gotta do it. You just gotta go. And like for me, like I would have all the self feelings of self doubt, throughout the weeks in between our sessions or whatever. But knowing that I was gonna be meeting with you and to be talking with you about these things gave me that little extra push to to do the work to do the homework and and to take those steps that we had talked about. Because it wasn't. I I kind of needed somebody else to be like, come on. Come on.
Katie Dancer [00:07:56]:
Let's do this. You could do it. Let's go. And one of the tools that you had me do, was a very tangible, very practical thing that helped me and still helps me sometimes. I I pull it out when I'm struggling mentally and it's the I can't remember what you call it. It was like the model Yeah. Or like the you know, whenever you you break down what you're thinking and the feeling behind it and what it's causing you to do, that was a game changer for me.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:08:25]:
How do you use it? So I struggle a
Katie Dancer [00:08:28]:
lot with my thoughts and anxiety. And so sometimes I get caught in this, like, thought loop that Nerds up making me just feel stuck, and I can't do what I I know that I want to do. So, I just pull out my notepad, and I start with the the sea lion, the circumstance lion, and I just write it down, and I just go through it. And then I usually realize that getting lost in my thought and dwelling on it and letting it envelop me is sabotaging whatever I'm trying to do. And usually there's no real, like, valid substance behind it. It's just some thought that I had that could easily just go away and be just fine. I don't I do need to hold on to it.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:09:08]:
No. It's like a automatic thought. Thought that you get caught into. And when when you start realizing that a lot of your results are created by those thoughts, but most people are not aware of these thoughts. Yeah. And that's a lot of the work that we did. Right? Becoming more aware of those thought loops that you get stuck into and if and that tool that you talk about helps you see them and then step outside of them more quickly. The thought the thought loops don't stop coming, but you learn how to step outside
Katie Dancer [00:09:43]:
of them so that you can get into action. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Not not letting it own me, knowing that I'm not in it, that I could be an outside we talked a lot about being an outside observer to it and not being inside the bubble, but being outside the bubble looking in at it.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:10:01]:
Mhmm. Yeah. Having a different perspective on what's going on in your in your mind. So much mind mind drama can stop us from pursuing our calling. 100%. So tell us about what your what your day to day life looks like now. So you've you quit your job a year ago. Mhmm.
Katie Dancer [00:10:23]:
And Yeah. What has it been like? For a little while it was just kind of like, I didn't really know what it should look like. And I think, working for about a decade in a 9 to 5 situation had me very ingrained in what I should do every day and the schedule that I should keep and how much I should work and what I should be doing. So that's taken several months to kind of let go of. But I would say day to day, I'm mostly I'm a musician, so I spend a lot of my day playing music and practicing, and developing programs for upcoming recitals and concerts that I'm doing. I am trying to do it a little bit more. I love to write. I have an outdoor adventure blog that I've kept for several years now.
Katie Dancer [00:11:09]:
So I've I've really enjoyed doing that. Anytime I go on like, like a backpacking trip or a kayaking trip, I come home and I I write all the stories that I have and then I put the pictures with it on the blog. And so that's really, really fun for me. So I make sure I spend time doing that. And the rest of it is just trying to get work, you know, all the admin stuff, creating content for social media. That's been a really fun thing to to start doing, making reels. And, yeah, I take care of my dog. And I stay at home, so I take care of my house.
Katie Dancer [00:11:43]:
And I have a daughter that I have. And so make sure that she has everything she needs and spend time with my husband who's awesome. Awesome. So that's pretty much my day. And I remember I'm sorry. I I just remember, in one of our sessions you had me just dream about like, what do you want your day to be like? And everything that I just said are the things that I listed out. And at the time, I couldn't even fathom that that could be my life. And here I am.
Katie Dancer [00:12:12]:
I'm just like, okay. Well, I'm here now. So how amazing is that?
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:12:18]:
Oh my god. Yeah. That that makes that that's really moving. It's amazing the progress that you can make. And in just 1 year Mhmm. In just 1 year, what would you say is the biggest difference between your past self and your present self? And what is it that you're most proud of?
Katie Dancer [00:12:38]:
I think the biggest difference is that I am willing to show up as myself. And like to show up as myself who are who I really am and not for who I think other people want me to be. I am a people pleaser. I'm an Enneagram 9. So for me to be like, no, That's not who I am. This is who I am. I know it took me 40 years, but
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:13:02]:
Mhmm. I'm
Katie Dancer [00:13:03]:
here. I think that that's the biggest difference. Yeah. Did I remember your answer your question?
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:13:11]:
Yeah. One of our most memorable sessions to me was, you were afraid of being judged by the industry. The music industry. What what's happened with that for you?
Katie Dancer [00:13:25]:
Yeah. That was that was huge for me. You know, I went through several years of music school. I muse grew up in a musical family of people who are very accomplished musicians. So, always that, like, inner peanut gallery, the inner critic, you know, judging me anytime I would ever pick up my instrument and and play. And I would say that I still struggle with it, a little bit. But I remember I remember that one of the sessions with you 2 talking about just, you know, they're gonna think what they're gonna think. They're gonna you just you just leave them over there and you just go do your thing.
Katie Dancer [00:14:00]:
And that I come back to that so often. Like, even if chances are they're not judging me the way that I think they are. But even if they are, who cares? They're not doing what I'm doing. I don't want to do what they're doing. So it really doesn't matter what they think. No matter what what I think. Mhmm. That's you're the
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:14:22]:
one living your life every
Katie Dancer [00:14:23]:
day. Yeah.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:14:25]:
For sure. But, in in order to create the life that you want, like you did, it comes with the risk of being disliked. Right? That's part of the cost. And then most of the time, it's far from being as bad as what we imagine.
Katie Dancer [00:14:44]:
Definitely. Definitely. And if there I mean, if there's someone in your life who who is judging you in that way, you don't want them in your life. Like that is toxic. And I've had to I've had to end a few relationships in my life in the past couple of years because of that, because it was just like, you know what? This obviously isn't a good fit for either one of us. So I'll just free you. You can go on your way. I'll go on mine and then we can live our our peaceful lives.
Katie Dancer [00:15:13]:
Yes.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:15:15]:
I love that. I mean, and when people do judge you, that doesn't say anything about what you're doing. It tells
Katie Dancer [00:15:21]:
you more about them. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. It just I mean, from my personal experience, anytime I've ever judged someone, it's usually because I'm jealous of them and something that they're doing. So or I'm intimidated by them.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:15:36]:
So 100%.
Katie Dancer [00:15:38]:
And that's just information. If I feel that way, I'm like, I wonder why I wonder why I feel that way. Maybe I need to change what I'm doing.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:15:46]:
Mhmm. Yeah. And once you're feeling fulfilled and satisfied in your life, you're not gonna be judging others. No.
Katie Dancer [00:15:54]:
No one who's feeling fulfilled is busy is judging others. No. Exactly. Exactly. And it's just funny. Most people are just once I let go of all that, I people are just so interested in what I'm doing, and they're like, oh, that's neat. It's like, okay. Mhmm.
Katie Dancer [00:16:16]:
So I think I had it built up in my head way bigger than what what it actually is.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:16:21]:
Yeah. If you could go back and whisper something in your past self's ear, what would you tell her?
Katie Dancer [00:16:30]:
I would tell her that she's doing exactly what she needs to be doing and just to keep on going. But it's all gonna be fine. And even even though it doesn't feel good right now, like, you are walking in the right direction. I think that was the that was something I wasn't I wasn't always so sure about. I was always asking my husband, is this the right thing? Are you sure? Are you sure I should be doing this? So, yeah. That's what I would say.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:17:00]:
And how have you dealt with discomfort? Because you said it earlier, it wasn't easy. You had to get out there many times and try a bunch of different things without knowing if it was going to work out. How how have you learned to deal with that discomfort, that uncertainty?
Katie Dancer [00:17:20]:
I know. Yeah. You know, I journal a lot, and so I get all of that out. I do morning pages every morning. I have to for my and I've done it since I was, like, 12 years old. It's just like how I get out. So I did a lot of processing through writing. I also have to make sure I exercise pretty hard every day.
Katie Dancer [00:17:41]:
So that helped with the discomfort because it just increases the endorphins that I feel. Just getting the support that I need. That's why I reached out to you, you know, that's I listen to podcasts. I, use the tools that I learn. So one thing that I've struggled with a little bit as a musician is called performance anxiety. And it's when I get ready to get up on stage and I have all sorts of mental, like thoughts that run through my head that turn into physical symptoms, which are like rapid heartbeat, sweaty hands, can't breathe, can't see very well actually, could sometimes affect your vision, which is all those things are not not good for playing music. Right? So so I actually have taken a course on how on how to deal with all of that. So it's just anytime I feel discomfort, I'm just like, okay.
Katie Dancer [00:18:31]:
Why am I feeling this way? What can I do to find support to get me through that? Mhmm.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:18:37]:
I love that. So instead of running away and trying to feel better as quickly as possible Yeah. Asking yourself, okay, what can I do? What who can I reach out to?
Katie Dancer [00:18:47]:
Yeah. Well, I I will say there there is still quite a bit of running away and hiding on the couch and and watching This Is Us Yeah. Of course. An entire month watching This Is Us.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:18:57]:
Oh, yes. Of course. Thank you for keeping it real. Thank you for I mean, we're human. We we've gotta do, like, a decent amount of avoiding to then have the courage to get back out there. It's like I say, you've got to, when you're feeling uncomfortable, you've got to run into your comfort zone. Back run back into your comfort zone. Binge watch some some This Is Us, And then so so then you can build up the courage to get back out there, and then reach out to people that are going to help you level up.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:19:29]:
Exactly. It's just like a total ebb and flow of that Mhmm.
Katie Dancer [00:19:33]:
Of that exact scenario. Yeah.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:19:38]:
What would you tell people that have been considering coaching, but they're just scared because it's the unknown. They don't they don't know what to expect, and they've been thinking about it for a long time. I know some people have been listening my to my podcast for for multiple years thinking about it. But just just scared to jump in.
Katie Dancer [00:20:00]:
Sure. For me, you know, I have a a history of of going to therapy for decades. So for me, like, reaching out for help with something like this wasn't a huge hurdle for me because I knew how much better I would feel. And I think for someone who doesn't have that history, just know that just talking to someone initially might feel a little bit vulnerable, a little bit uncomfortable. But as soon as they meet you or whoever they choose to, to do coaching or mentoring with, like they'll realize, they'll realize how much support they have in you or in whoever they choose. And then just getting that support to knowing sometimes it just feels too big and having someone there to break it down into smaller parts and to just show you how to get from point a to point b to point c. It just all that discomfort is just gonna go it's just gonna go away.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:20:59]:
Yeah. Sometimes we're stuck in the, in the forest, like in front of a big Sequoia, Call it the sequoia mindset, where you're just Yeah. Like in front of a big tree, and you need someone to, like, help you zoom out and see the forest forest. Yes. You mentioned therapy. What in your experience, and I know there's so many different types of therapy, but in your experience, what was the difference between therapy and coaching?
Katie Dancer [00:21:24]:
Like, when I when I go to my therapist, she's she's never gonna tell me what to do. She's never, you know, she's gonna she's gonna mirror me. She's gonna affirm how I'm feeling, and she's gonna lead me through a therapeutic process in every session, just so I can learn how to handle my own emotions. With you, it with a coach, it's it's not so much that. It's more of, like, what are the hurdles that you're facing? What are the challenges that you're having? And what kind of strategy can we put in place to get around it, to get through it. And we kind of work through that together, you know. And sometimes you had to tell me what to do or you had to get me to tell myself what to do.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:22:05]:
Yeah. Yeah. The answer was always in you because I know nothing about music and how
Katie Dancer [00:22:09]:
that world works, but it
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:22:10]:
it's adding you to your own answer and then being like, okay, so what are you waiting for?
Katie Dancer [00:22:16]:
And the accountability. Yeah. I feel like the accountability that you provide was huge. Sweet. Okay. So you said that the
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:22:24]:
vision you had for your life a year ago has turned into a reality. So I'm curious to hear about what is your v vision for the future today? Like, where do you wanna be a few years from now?
Katie Dancer [00:22:37]:
Yeah. I was just thinking about that, like, today I think. Just like, okay, well now what? I got here and, so what I what I have created, the career that I have that I have created is blending music, outdoor adventures, and writing, which is what I said before. And basically, I've created this concert, experience that, is a multimedia experience that combines solo flute music with stories and footage from my outdoor adventures. So basically, I get up on a stage and I I play some flute music that is inspired by whatever hike that I've been on. And in the background, there are pictures and I tell stories about it and it's very engaging and very personal. And it's just more accessible than they going to a traditional classical symphony concert or to a to a traditional recital. You know, it's just more engaging.
Katie Dancer [00:23:31]:
It's more interesting to people who are outdoorsy, nature lovers like me. So I my vision is I just wanna do a lot more of that. You know, I I recently did one at the local nature center here in their big auditorium and there were so many people that came and, and the lady was so the lady who coordinated it was so excited. She's like, I'm gonna tell you, I'm gonna tell all of my nature, all my fellow nature center coordinator friends about you. And I'm like, yeah. I could just tour nature centers. Yeah. That's what I was that's what
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:24:03]:
I was gonna say. KT denser are on 4 from one nature to
Katie Dancer [00:24:07]:
the other. Yeah. I would love that. I would love to be able to make a a profitable career doing that. So that's that's where I'm a term headed. So
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:24:19]:
How amazing. I'm already designing your tour t shirt in my head. There's a flute, there's some nature around the flute, and there's all the dates. There's the tour dates on the back of the t shirt.
Katie Dancer [00:24:31]:
That's hilarious.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:24:34]:
I love this. Okay. So, we need to circle back in, in a few years. And now that you've said it out loud here on the podcast, it's for sure gonna happen. That's how it works. The more you I believe personally, I believe the more you talk about your vision and the more you own what you want unapologetically, the higher your chances of making it a reality. Many people come to me and they have desires that they struggle to speak out loud. But once we get clear about what these are and we practice talking about them, that's like half the work.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:25:13]:
Half the work. And then you get out into the world, you start taking action in that direction. You you fall you you Growth through some trial and error, but half the work is getting clear on what your vision is.
Katie Dancer [00:25:26]:
Yeah. I remember the day that you helped me get to that vision. I remember that moment when I you had me close my eyes and think about future Katie and what was she wearing and what was she doing? And I wrote it down. I've gone back to it and like, woah. Crazy.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:25:45]:
Woah. That turned into a reality. Amazing. Mhmm. I've also, like, gone through old notebooks and seen, like, bucket lists or, like, little and and, oh my god. I've I had forgotten about that list, and I've done almost everything on it. Right. Yeah.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:26:01]:
How? Mhmm.
Katie Dancer [00:26:03]:
It's like tell you're telling the universe what you want. Mhmm. You're telling your own mind what you want. And so it just becomes ingrained in you.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:26:11]:
Mhmm. Yeah. That I read a quote somewhere, I don't remember where it said what you want will come to you at the address of peace. Meaning like you talk about what you want and then you do your work to be at peace within you. So to work through the mind drama. And then the more often you do that, the more often you you calm down your nervous system. The more the closer you get to what you want. Yeah.
Katie Dancer [00:26:38]:
That makes so much sense.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:26:40]:
That makes sense, like, it sounds woo woo, but it actually makes sense scientifically because when you feel calm, when you feel grounded, you take wiser action in the direction of what you want. So it makes sense. Okay. Before we go, Katie, I want to know if you have book recs.
Katie Dancer [00:26:58]:
I have so many pages. So the well, I haven't finished it yet. But the book I'm reading right now, is not it's it's it's fiction. But it is, called The Waters by Bonnie Jo Campbell. And I just, actually got to hear her speak at an at an author panel last week and it was so cool to hear her story because she actually started off in a career, that was totally unrelated to being an author. Author. And then she had to make that shift. And it was just really cool to hear her talk about her story.
Katie Dancer [00:27:32]:
And then I'm also reading right now The Art of Impossible.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:27:36]:
What's that?
Katie Dancer [00:27:38]:
Yeah. I actually forgot who the author is. He talks about peak performance and, that's that kind of, that kind of genre of book. We'll put a link in
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:27:50]:
the show notes. Talking about the art of impossible, made me think about what what's, something that you thought was impossible for you that turned out to actually be possible?
Katie Dancer [00:28:06]:
Giving a solo flute revival, I've always wanted to do that, but I've never thought it was possible. I always thought I needed other people to help me, other people to perform with. But getting up on a stage just all by myself, nobody else to fall back on, and commanding an audience just all by myself, never thought it was possible. But I've I've done it twice now in the past, like, 6 months. So it is possible actually,
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:28:33]:
Nerds out. And how did you feel after?
Katie Dancer [00:28:37]:
Exhilarated. I mean, it's like any anything big like that that I've done in my life. It's like you get done what it seems impossible having a baby, you know? Like it seems impossible while you're doing it. But when it's done, you're like, wow, I just did that. And you just feel so much more empowered to to do it again or to do the next thing.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:28:58]:
So okay. Completely off topic and completely selfish question. So I want a kid in the next few years. I
Katie Dancer [00:29:07]:
want Yeah.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:29:07]:
What's your advice as a creative fellow, creative person who you love your alone time in nature and with books. So how do we survive a kid?
Katie Dancer [00:29:20]:
Well, you know, kids are kids are very flexible. Kids will learn to adapt to whatever environment that you provide for them. So if you provide a very chaotic situation, they're gonna feel chaotic. If if you provide a very, like, flexible, you know, where you you know, some people just feel so tied down. They feel like they can't go anywhere when they have a kid. They feel like they're in prison. But if you just you just introduce the child into your life, You know, you don't if that makes sense. You know, you'd you'd get a backpack, a carrier for them, and you take them on your hike.
Katie Dancer [00:29:55]:
You know, you don't just stay at home with them all day if you don't want to. Take them with you. They will love it.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:30:01]:
Awesome. Alright. Katie, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. Please tell people where they listen to your music and read about your adventures.
Katie Dancer [00:30:12]:
Sure. You can find me on Instagram. I'm the. Fluke.journey is my handle. And then you can find my blog, my adventure blog. It's adventure with katie.com. So www.adventurewithkatie.com are my my adventure blogs.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:30:34]:
And it's gonna be in the show notes, so if you wanna if you wanna go find Katie, it's all there underneath the podcast description. Have a beautiful rest of your day, Katie.
Katie Dancer [00:30:46]:
You as well. Thank you so much, Marie.
Marie-Pier Tremblay [00:30:52]:
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